Despite the vitriol that was a very well written post. I loved the dialogue.
I had not heard of the rape victim. Did that just hit the news?
I think it is fair to point out is that at least a good number of US Catholics disagree with the Vatican quite a bit. It is evidence that the Catholic Church is desperate to retain members that dissent within the ranks is tolerated as much as it is.
Take Catholic Mayor Newsom of San Fransisco for instance...
Yeah, watching him on Bill Mauer was kind of one of the things that inspired thinking about this at all. He states openly a deviation from Catholic stances, while clearly falling into step with other Christian sects. So again, I gotta ask why he has elected to affiliate with a group he admits he doesn't agree with instead of one of the groups he clearly does agree with. His excuse was, "I was raised that way and I'm just used to it." I mean, geez, talk about intellectual and social laziness and irresponsiblity, and this guy thinks he belongs in politics?
The rape victim thing is about two weeks old, by my news sources.
I'm surprised you didn't include my favorite nickname for the pope in your one act: Papa Ratzi
I will have to admit that Angela and I have looked at each other numerous times since Habemus Papam and commented that it felt like we were moving backwards. In many respects, I can understand where the papam is coming from . . . but it still feels like we're moving backwards.
And to be truthful, we've entertained the thought of going to another church. However, we've never followed through on that - obviously. The primary reason is that we believe in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and that is purely a Catholic thing, we won't find that elsewhere. But in addition to that, to address your comment that it is easier to leave the Catholic Church than it would be to leave the USA, I think that for myself it would be just as difficult to leave the Catholic Church as it would be to leave the USA. The teachings, practices and spirituality of Catholicism is something that I've grown up with all my life. Just as I've grown up an American all my life. It would be as difficult for me to move to a foreign country, learn their language, learn their customs, and become a citizen there as it would be for me to go to another church and learn their practices, teachings and their take on theology.
But like you, I remain a US citizen even though I pretty much haven't been happy with the US government since I started giving a flip about politics. I believe that eventually things will get better and that there's a higher likelihood of them getting better if I stick around and keep doing my part. Now, granted the Church is not a democracy - we can't vote on things, not even on the popes. But because I believe that overall we're moving in a forward direction, even though in this moment it feels like we're moving backward, I'm at peace with staying Catholic even in the light of the controversy that Papa Ratzi is stirring up.
For what it's worth, my $0.02...
That's actually exactly the kinda two cents I tend to look for when I propose these things coz my questions aren't ENTIRELY rhetorical. For instance, I'd have never thought ot the Eucharist argument, myself.
Ideologically, I would expect it to be difficult for a devout catholic to simply uproot themselves, even if they were concerned with the direction of their religion. When I mentioned the difficultly of leaving the US, I was primarily thinking geographic, financial and the very hard work of convincing the US Government to stop thinking of you as a citizen/source of tax revenue. But as you point out, it often makes sense to just stick it through the tough times if you have reason to believe that, overall, its all going to work out for the good. I am not pleased that the USA tortured a bunch of people who hadn't even been charged with crimes, but I am frankly glad that we reviewed the idea and, ultimately, were still a good enough people to, in majority, decide that the idea sucked.
And I wish I'd know the Papa Ratzi one coz frankly, I was starting to strain right around "pope on the half shell."
And you also never used my favorite "Father Guido Sarducci" line, "Find the Pope in the Pizza!"
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